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 Contacted [[http://www.sms.com/|SMS]] for renewal and received a quote of $28,250 for 3 years. Well, I'd still rather have the monies. They are not willing to come down. Contacted [[http://www.sms.com/|SMS]] for renewal and received a quote of $28,250 for 3 years. Well, I'd still rather have the monies. They are not willing to come down.
  
-What would it take to do-it-yourself? In addition, if the NSF proposal "recommended for funded", gets funded, would we even consider support on the Dell cluster?+What would it take to do-it-yourself? What is the expectation for hardware support?
  
-==== DIY ====+In addition, if the NSF proposal "recommended for funded", gets funded, would we even consider support on the Dell cluster? 
 + 
 +==== Costs ==== 
 + 
 +Support for OCS, Platform's Open Cluster Manager - Dell Edition for 3 years is $10,434.  I think we can do without, we could always fall back to CentOS/Lava.  Plus we can peruse their knowledhge base which is rather good.  LSF licenses are perpetual so we're good there. 
 + 
 +The Infiniband, Force10 gigE and Dell Powerconnect gigE switches we'll leave unsupported too.  If we need gigE switches we can steal them from the sharptail cluster (HP ProCurve 2748 gigE).  Probably cheaper to just buy a new switch if they break. A 12 port Infiniband switch is probably $3,200 and a 48 port gigE switch about $1,750. 
 + 
 + 
 +==== Nodes & DIY ====
  
 So, based on the price information below So, based on the price information below
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 We probably should have one of each on hand.  If a server dies, for whatever reason, the spare can be put in place, and more spare parts are generated (minus the failed part). We probably should have one of each on hand.  If a server dies, for whatever reason, the spare can be put in place, and more spare parts are generated (minus the failed part).
  
-We probably do not need to be prepared to replace a failed MD1000 enclosure and can decide when it happens.  We do need some spare disks ($750).+We probably do not need to be prepared to replace a failed MD1000 enclosure and can decide on that when it happens.  We do need some spare disks, say 2 of them ($750).
  
-Power fans are the most likely to go, so purchase 10 of them ($500)?  (That contains 4 fans for the servers in the ehwfd queue which currently have a single power source, leaving 6 spares). +Power fans are the most likely to go, so purchase 10 of them ($1500)?  (That contains 4 fans for the servers in the ehwfd queue which currently have a single power source, leaving 6 spares). 
  
-The DIY proposal is then to spend roughly $6,000 now.  Or spend it when things go awry. OR downsize when things go awray.  Petaltail and Swallowtail could take over each other's services but it would take time, and be disruptive if it is Petaltail. Rebuilding Petaltail would imply wiping Swallowtail, and afterwards, reinstalling/relicensing commercial software.+The DIY proposal is then to spend roughly $10K now, as a starting point.  Or spend it when things go awry, depends.  
 + 
 +Or downsize the cluster when things go awray, anticipating the new cluster.  Petaltail and Swallowtail could take over each other's services but it would take time, and be disruptive if it is Petaltail. Rebuilding Petaltail would imply wiping Swallowtail, and afterwards, reinstalling/relicensing commercial software.
  
 ==== Price Info ==== ==== Price Info ====
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 |Ebay|Dell Poweredge 1950|2x Quad Core 2.66ghz,16gb 2x72g SAS|$1,950| |Ebay|Dell Poweredge 1950|2x Quad Core 2.66ghz,16gb 2x72g SAS|$1,950|
  
 +
 +==== Dell ====
 +
 +Turns out Dell does sells refurbished hardware, so let's see what the price tag is for:
 +
 +Q=1 PE2950 Stag=GTC2CC1  Ecode=366602301169 - $3,087.87 (last cluster quote new $ 6,810)\\
 +perc5/6 - raid 1 with dual 80 gb 7.2KRPM SATA, 8x1gb dimms, DVD-rom, extra dual-port NIC card, rails if you have, dual power supplies\\
 +Q=1 PE1950 Stag=B1VQBC1 Ecode=24058367713 - $ 1,597.91 (last cluster quote new $ 4,170)\\
 +perc5/6 - no raid, dual 80 gb 7.2KRPM SATA, 8x1gb dimms, rails if you have, dual power supplies \\
 +Q=1 PE1950 Stag=BYGPBC1  Ecode=26028510625 - $ 2,113.90\\
 +perc5/6 - no raid, dual 80 gb 7.2KRPM SATA, 8x2gb dimms, rails if you have, dual power supplies \\
 +total $6,799.98 (this includes $900 in rapid rails (3) so we can pre-mount them)
 +
 +Q=4 MD1000 disks Stag=F5TZBC1 Ecode=33004422433\\
 +currently have 36gb drives but may substitute 73gb or whatever, 15K RPM SAS\\
 +146gb 15k rpm quotes at $ 346.99, get two for $ 693.98
 +
 +<del>Q=1 Power Connect 2748  Stag=9730SB1 \\
 +48 ports, gigE switch, dual power (not sure it is?)</del>
 +
 +... the rest are parts if you have those, otherwise i might just get more servers as defined above ...
 +
 +<del>
 +Q=2 Infiniband card + cable (if you have)\\
 +CISCO 4XIB CBL 3M-SUPERFLEX (A0636919) + CISCO STD PCI-e HCA 2PT-TALL BRKT 128MB ROHS (A0664392) (Infiniband card & cable)</del>\\
 +we have a spare HBA card plus cable (came out of old io-node)
 +
 +
 +Q=2 Dual port Embedded Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NIC - $ 219.98\\
 +(single port card quoted, should be dual, looking PE2950 price is $ 599.99)
 +
 +Q=8 1gb DIMM for PE1950 - $ 503.96\\
 +Q=8 2gb DIMM for PE1950 - $ 879.96\\
 +Q=2 Redundant Power Supply with Dual Cords for PowerEdge 2950 $ 599.98\\ 
 +Q=10 Redundant Power Supply with Y-Cord for PowerEdge 1950 - $1599.90\\
 +total 
 +
 +Grand total: $6,799.98 + $ 693.98 + $ 599.99 + $ 3,583.80 = $ 11,677.75 or $12K as expected.
 \\ \\
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