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| ==== Comparison of Quotes ==== | ==== Comparison of Quotes ==== |
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| ^ Item ^ Advanced Clustering ^ Dell ^ Sun ^ | <html> |
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| | quote | $ 246,237 | $ 202,175 | $ 199,528 | | | quote | $ 246,237 | $ 202,175 | $ 199,528 | |
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| | ^ Item ^ Advanced Clustering ^ Dell ^ Sun ^ |
| | job slots | 512 (reduce to 352 for $200K) | 160 | 272 | | | job slots | 512 (reduce to 352 for $200K) | 160 | 272 | |
| | compute nodes | blades | rack server | rack server | | | compute nodes | blades | rack server | rack server | |
| Also, as the size increases, we probably can not back up to the VTL anymore. In such a case, the snapshot capability is important (point in time restore). Also we could design an "archive" present on these devices (raid 1 for example). Or perform disk2disk backup copies, still on same device. | Also, as the size increases, we probably can not back up to the VTL anymore. In such a case, the snapshot capability is important (point in time restore). Also we could design an "archive" present on these devices (raid 1 for example). Or perform disk2disk backup copies, still on same device. |
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| ^ Item ^ Nexan ^ RAID Inc ^ Nexan ^ | <html> |
| | quote | $ 48,862 | $ 81,750 | $ 49,892 | | <!-- |
| | | quote | $ 48,862 | $ 81,750 | $ 49,892 | |
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| | ^ Item ^ Nexan ^ RAID Inc ^ Nexan ^ |
| | name | SataBeast | Xanadu | SataBeast | | | name | SataBeast | Xanadu | SataBeast | |
| | controllers | dual | dual | dual | | | controllers | dual | dual | dual | |
| ==== Round 2 of Quotes ==== | ==== Round 2 of Quotes ==== |
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| ^ Item ^ Advanced Clustering //updated// ^ Dell ^ Dell #2 //updated// ^ HP //updated// ^ | <html><!-- |
| | quote | $ 152,283.77 (+$2K one day, on site) | $ 149,380.49 | $ 176,856.91 (on site included, PCM config?) (DROP E-CIFS, E-SCSI?) | $ 177,800 | | | quote | $ 152,283.77 (+$2K one day, on site) | $ 149,380.49 | $ 176,856.91 (on site included? check, perhaps +2.5K) | $ 149,996.49 (one week on site included) |
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| | ^ Item ^ Advanced Clustering //updated// ^ Dell ^ Dell #2 //updated// ^ HP //updated!// ^ |
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| | job slots | 240 | 80 | 240 | 256 | | | job slots | 240 | 80 | 240 | 256 | |
| | overall cost/job slot (minus head node & storage) | $ 550 | $ 892 | $ 569 | $ 415 | | | overall cost/job slot (minus head node & storage) | $ 550 | $ 892 | $ 569 | $ <del>415</del> | |
| | compute nodes | blades | blades | blades | blades | | | compute nodes | blades | blades | blades | blades | |
| | node count | 30 | 10 | 30 | 32 | | | node count | 30 | 10 | 30 | 32 | |
| | memory | 6x2=12 gb | 6x2=12 gb | 6x2=12 gb | 12x1=12 gb | | | memory | 6x2=12 gb | 6x2=12 gb | 6x2=12 gb | 12x1=12 gb | |
| | hdd | 1x250 gb | 1x146 gb (15k SAS) | 1x146 gb (15k SAS) | 1x160 gb | | | hdd | 1x250 gb | 1x146 gb (15k SAS) | 1x146 gb (15k SAS) | 1x160 gb | |
| | gigE | 2 x Netgear GSM7352 v2 - 48-port, **10Gb switch to storage** | two PowerConnect 6248 - 48 port | two PowerConnect 6248 - 48, **10Gb switch to storage** | ProCurve Switch 2610-48, HP ProCurve 2910-48 | | | ehternet | 2 x Netgear GSM7352 v2 - 48-port, **10Gb switch to storage** | two PowerConnect 6248 - 48 port | two PowerConnect 6248 - 48, **10Gb switch to storage** | ProCurve Switch 2610-48 ($750), HP ProCurve 2910-48 ($3,500) both **1Gb** | |
| | infiniband | 72-Port 4X Configuration Modular DDR InfiniBand Switch, all nodes, includes head node and storage devices for IPoIB (see next section) | (3?) 12PT 4X DDR-INFINIBAND, all nodes | (3?) 12PT 4X DDR-INFINIBAND, all nodes | Voltaire IB 4X **QDR** 36P, all nodes, plus head node for IPoIB | | | infiniband | 72-Port 4X Configuration Modular DDR InfiniBand Switch, all nodes, <del>includes head node and storage devices for IPoIB</del> (see next section) | (3?) 12PT 4X DDR-INFINIBAND, all nodes | (3?) 12PT 4X DDR-INFINIBAND, all nodes | Voltaire IB 4X **QDR** 36P, all nodes, plus head node for IPoIB | |
| | head node | dual quad core Xeon E5620 2.40GHz w/ 12MB, 6x2=12 gb, 2x500 gb hdd (rack) | XeonE5620 2.4Ghz, 12M Cache, 6x2=12 gb, 2(?)x146 gb hdd (blade) | XeonE5620 2.4Ghz, 12M Cache, 6x2=12 gb, 2(?)x146 gb hdd (blade) | HP E5620 dual-quad DL380G7, 6x2=12 gb, 2x250gb (rack) | | | head node | dual quad core Xeon E5620 2.40GHz w/ 12MB, 6x2=12 gb, 2x500 gb hdd (rack) | XeonE5620 2.4Ghz, 12M Cache, 6x2=12 gb, 2(?)x146 gb hdd (blade) | XeonE5620 2.4Ghz, 12M Cache, 6x2=12 gb, 2(?)x146 gb hdd (blade) | HP E5620 dual-quad DL380G7, 6x2=12 gb, 2x250gb (rack) | |
| | storage | Pinnacle Flexible Storage System, single Intel Xeon Quad Core X3360 2.83GHz w/ 12MB cache, 8 gb ram | PV MD3200i, 6x PV MD1200, direct attach | NX4 10Gb NAS (EMC2) | HP StorageWorks MSA60 Array, **direct attach** | | | storage | Pinnacle Flexible Storage System, single Intel Xeon Quad Core X3360 2.83GHz w/ 12MB cache, 8 gb ram | PV MD3200i, 6x PV MD1200, direct attach | NX4 10Gb NAS (EMC2) | HP StorageWorks MSA60 Array, **direct attach** | |
| | storage costs | $15K, $0.31/GB | $72.5K, $1.42/GB | $52K, $1.06/GB | $45K, $0.92/GB | | | storage costs | $15K, $0.31/GB | $72.5K, $1.42/GB | $52K, $1.06/GB | $45K, $0.92/GB | |
| | storage functions | multiple NICs, optional 10gb and Infiniband support, LVs > 2 TB, **snapshots imaging enabled**, quota, antivirus scanning, CFIS/NFS/AFP, multiple raids (incl 5&6), cluster expandable | dual controller, optional snapshots, direct attach iSCSI, head node performs NFS | CIFS/NFS/FTP + iSCSI and Fiber, expandable to 96 TB, **snapview licensed**, deduplication capable | multiple NICs (on head node), direct attach, head node performs NFS duties via IPoIB, not expandable, **no snapshotting** | | | storage functions | multiple NICs, optional 10gb and Infiniband support, LVs > 2 TB, **snapshots imaging enabled**, quota, antivirus scanning, CFIS/NFS/AFP, multiple raids (incl 5&6), cluster expandable | dual controller, optional snapshots, direct attach iSCSI, head node performs NFS | CIFS/NFS/FTP + iSCSI and Fiber, expandable to 96 TB, **snapview licensed**, deduplication capable | multiple NICs (on head node), direct attach, head node performs NFS duties via IPoIB, not expandable, **no snapshotting** | |
| | | storage mgt software | yes | ? | yes | yes | |
| | OS | CentOS 5.x | RHEL 5.3 | RHEL 5.3 | RHEL5.3 | | | OS | CentOS 5.x | RHEL 5.3 | RHEL 5.3 | RHEL5.3 | |
| | software | Intel C++, Fortran, MPI, MKL | none | dell | none | | | software | Intel C++, Fortran, MPI, MKL | none | dell | none | |
| | support | 3 years, NBD | 3 years, 4-Hour 7x24 On-site Service | 3 years, NBD | 3 years, NBD | | | support | 3 years, NBD | 3 years, 4-Hour 7x24 On-site Service | 3 years, NBD | 3 years, NBD | |
| | L6-30 | 3 | | 2(?) | 4 | | | L6-30 | 3 | | 2(?) | 4 | |
| | Watts | 12,891 | | | 13,943 | 10,602 | | | Watts | 12,891 | | 13,943 | 10,602 | |
| | BTU/hr | 43,984 | | 47,616 | 36,175 | | | BTU/hr | 43,984 | | 47,616 | 36,175 | |
| | A/C Tons | 3.67 | | 4 | 3 | | | A/C Tons | 3.67 | | 4 | 3 | |
| | weight lbs | 1829.9 | | | 1,006 | | | weight lbs | 1829.9 | | | 1,006 | |
| | cost to run /wo A/C | $10,897.28 (9.36c/KWH) | | | | | | cost to run (9.36c/KWH) /wo A/C | $10,897.28 | | $11,797.12 | $8,952.57 (Watts+AC: 24% greener than dell - saves $5,700/year, 18% greener than ACT - saves $4,000/year) | |
| | Us Used per rack | 40/42U | ??/48 | | 33/42U | | | Us Used per rack | 40/42U | ??/48 | | 33/42U | |
| | Note1 | unlimited lifetime technical support for all hardware and software we supply | SAS drives 600 gb @15K is $750 vs 500 gb @7.2K SATA is $275, estimate is that could save $40K | NX4 has more protocols than we need but so what, $1/GB is good | arrives fully integrated, with knowledge transfer/training for a week on all parts of the cluster | | | Note1 | unlimited lifetime technical support for all hardware and software we supply | SAS drives 600 gb @15K is $750 vs 500 gb @7.2K SATA is $275, estimate is that could save $40K | NX4 has more protocols than we need but so what, $1/GB is good | arrives fully integrated, with knowledge transfer/training for a week on all parts of the cluster | |
| | Note2 | this solution could do IPoIB, presumably yielding an NFS boost in performance, however desire native NFS, see next section | Or it could be that 15K SAS drives in array is a good idea? | UPS and iKVM are gone, no big deal | IPoIB the unknown, we could do NFS on head node, but then a bottleneck? | | | Note2 | this solution could do IPoIB, presumably yielding an NFS boost in performance, however desire native NFS, see next section | Or it could be that 15K SAS drives in array is a good idea? | UPS and iKVM are gone, no big deal | IPoIB the unknown, we could do NFS on head node, but then a bottleneck? | |
| | Note3 | all MPI flavors precompiled with Gnu, Portland (for AMD), Intel (for Xeon) | Platform OCS and LSF add costs, support is nice though | Total cost for OCS/LSF/RHEL is about $20K, that sets up a differentiall with ACT of $4.5K now | <del>Unsure about the lack of management/OS software preinstalled/preconfigured, what if we hit a driver problem with HP hardware?</del> unit will be fully integrated to our specs with whatever we want (CentOS/Gridengine) | | | Note3 | all MPI flavors precompiled with Gnu, Portland (for AMD), Intel (for Xeon) | Platform OCS and LSF add costs, support is nice though | Total cost for OCS/LSF/RHEL is about $20K, that sets up a differentiall with ACT of $4.5K now | <del>Unsure about the lack of management/OS software preinstalled/preconfigured, what if we hit a driver problem with HP hardware?</del> unit will be fully integrated to our specs with whatever we want (CentOS or RHEL/Gridengine) | |
| | Note4 | $75K buys another 135 job slots, 17 nodes | $75K buys another 80 job slots, 10 nodes | there a second NX4 expansion shelf quoted which is not needed, could reduce quote by $5K | $75k buys another 180 job slots, 22 nodes | | | Note4 | $75K buys another 135 job slots, 17 nodes | $75K buys another 80 job slots, 10 nodes | there a second NX4 expansion shelf quoted which is not needed, could reduce quote by $5K | $75k buys another 180 job slots, 22 nodes | |
| | Note5 | with these large hard disks on compute nodes, investigate the idea if /localscratch partitions can be presented as one scratch file system via Lustre,ie 200x30= 6TB, definitely worth the effort |||| | | Note5 | with these large hard disks on compute nodes, investigate the idea if /localscratch partitions can be presented as one scratch file system via Lustre,ie 200x30= 6TB, definitely worth the effort |||| |
| - FSU NA | - FSU NA |
| - KTZT storage is slow, probably NFS related, get more memory for cpu | - KTZT storage is slow, probably NFS related, get more memory for cpu |
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| | ==== HP Questions ==== |
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| | **UMICH** |
| | * Dell complacent, HP proactive (buys $1M in 3 years, 2852 cores) |
| | * No experience with software |
| | * Good HP support experience |
| | * HP more efficient than Dell, supports that |
| | * Torque/PBS shop |
| | * No IPoIB experience (yet) |
| | * Also a Dell shop |
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